Notify me of follow-up comments by email. [38], To mitigate the pitch-up tendency of the new flight geometry from the engines being located further forward and higher than previous engines, Boeing added the new Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System. The Guardian reported that Boeing referred to the airplane as a Boeing 737-8 in a move away from the Boeing 737 MAX branding. [156] In early 2017, Boeing showed a 66 in (1.7 m) stretch to 143 feet (44 m), enabling seating for 230 in a single class or 189 in two-class capacity, compared to 193 in two-class seating for the A321neo. I guess BA has many other things going well because I would think if the MAX was the only thing, no way the price would be at 371 and climbing steadily all day. Many would say national defense requires a domestic maker to be able to build the needed planes. Take a look at how many words you’ve spilled on Boeing right here…… CHICAGO, Feb. 19, 2018 /PRNewswire/ -- United Airlines today announced it has added its newest aircraft type, the Boeing 737 MAX 9, to its domestic flight schedules. does not invalidate the concept! Just from an operational standpoint, while there have been several anomalous behavior with MCAS over its almost two years of revenue operations before the two crashes, all previous incidents were able to successfully recover, presumably because those co-pilots were able to properly assist in their recovery efforts (among many other reasons)! [29] Fuel consumption is reduced by 14% from the 737NG. I couldn’t tell that that was a joke … oh well! [38] Boeing planned to increase its 737 MAX monthly production rate from 42 planes in 2017, to 57 planes by 2019. I guess the 747, 757, 767, 777, and 787 are all “crap” to you? Meanwhile, while investigations into the Lion Air crash continued, the two 737 MAX Flight Technical Pilots continued misleading others—including at Boeing and the FAA—about their prior knowledge of the change to MCAS. I guess that, unless one has worked in the Control Systems arena, this idea of using software within feedback loops in complex systems seems a bit perplexing … but this is done quite often in hardware engineering and is not considered to be any sort of “flaw”! [106] The two-spool design has a low-pressure section comprising the fan and three booster stages driven by five axial turbine stages and a high-pressure section with a 10-stage axial compressor driven by a two-stage turbine. Yeah a clean sheets design wasn’t possible. At the time that the Lion Air pilot transferred the aircraft to his co-pilot to handle, so that the pilot could attend to another urgent matter, that co-pilot had no idea about what was going on and couldn’t respond properly! Breeze Airways Wants To Pay Pilots How Much?! It turns out that SE Asia and Africa suffer from shortages of sufficiently experienced airline pilots and some airlines, therefore, will put co-pilots into revenue flights with inadequate training and experience, unlike in other regions such as Australia, North Asia, North America, Europe, etc. On every platform on the internet and in every newspaper… You think that we’re all Boeing “trolls” and the 737-MAX has an “unfixable” hardware design? [120] Assembly of the first flight-test aircraft began on November 22, 2017[127] and was rolled out of the factory on February 5, 2018. it offers lower trips costs than the competition, the lowest trip costs, which minimizes the risk airlines take on as they grow. Boeing has formally launched the 737 MAX 10, which is the largest and shortest range variant of the 737 MAX 10. It is important to consider the other factors, however, such as poor maintenance (Lion Air) and poor crew training and insufficient experience (Lion Air and Ethiopian). "[18] In March 2011, BCA President James Albaugh told participants of a trade meeting the company was not sure about a 737 re-engine, like Boeing CFO James A. Better and more fuel-efficient engines can significantly push the range of the aircraft like the 737. Boeing is garbage. Classic application of control loop feedback to maintain stability — but Boeing, unfortunately, screwed up its implementation of that process (possibly by corrupting the feedback loop damping factor?) Working for Boeing? [37], A new spar-assembly line with robotic drilling machines should increase throughput by 33%. [125] In October 2020, Southwest announced that it was considering the Airbus A220[relevant? The 737-700, -800 and -900ER, the most widespread versions of the previous 737NG, are succeeded by the 737 MAX 7, MAX 8 and MAX 9, respectively (FAA type certificate: 737-7, -8, and -9 ). Note that Boeing’s mistake was trying to “hide” the transitioning from the 737-NG to the 737-MAX behind “compatible” flying characteristics, so that pilots wouldn’t need to undergo re-qualifications to fly the MAX. [98], In mid-2011, the objective was to match the A320neo's 15% fuel burn advantage. [97] The first aircraft was delivered from the facility to Air China on December 15, 2018. Or is my engineering degree from the acknowledged #1 engineering university in the entire world still not good enough, in your eyes? All United Boeing 737 pilots will eventually undergo training to acquaint or re-acquaint themselves with the 737 MAX. Here we go again with all of those calling for Boeing to do a “clean sheet” design of a new aircraft to replace the 737-MAX — understand that doing a “clean sheet” design currently takes minimally 6-years of elapsed time to do the design, build prototypes, test and debug the prototypes, get everything certified, and finally transition into production! As United Airlines prepares to resume flight training for the 737 MAX and convince employees that the aircraft is safe, it will base operations out of two hubs. @HereWeGo — “Hey Boeing, we recognize Your Goebbels-like propaganda efforts, constantly drawing all the attention to that Software hoping for everyone to forget abour the miserable and unfixable hardware-design.” —. Never seems to be happening. [49][57] It was widely reported that Boeing pushed to expedite approval of the 737 MAX to compete with the Airbus A320neo, which hit the market nine months ahead of Boeing's model. Most likely, laptop-toting Harvard-type MBA’s have infested Boeing like they have many American companies, and these MBA’s have been programmed like Pavlov’s dogs to “enrich shareholder value” (plain English: make the stockholders richer) by building cheap crap, overcharging for it, and getting the cheapest workers possible. @Alex_77W — “… I wouldn’t panic when getting on board of a re-certified B737MAX but would think twice when choosing between carries in South East Asia or Africa….” —, You are absolutely correct in your multiple observations! Earn 75,000 Membership Rewards® points | Terms Apply. The fan was widened from 61 in (150 cm) to 69.4 in (176 cm) by raising the nose gear and placing the engine higher and forward. Really! [82] Industry observers began to question if Boeing's projection of record production rate of 57 per month would ever be reached. [92], On August 19, 2020, Boeing announced that it had received new orders for the 737 MAX for the first time in 2020. Boeing builds crap. This would have negated any need for a MAX-10. @Billc: [20], On July 20, 2011, American Airlines announced an order for 460 narrowbody jets including 130 A320ceos and 130 A320neos, and intended to order 100 re-engined 737s with CFM LEAPs, pending Boeing confirmation. For my own flights I definitely prefer planes that always function instead of mostly.” —. It’s been at its limits based on the wingbox and landing gear configuration for a while now, but I think the fuselage itself has room – look at the 757-300. Stop. [192][193] People familiar with the investigation reported that during a flight piloted by a different crew on the day before the crash, the same aircraft experienced a similar malfunction but an extra pilot sitting in the cockpit jumpseat correctly diagnosed the problem and told the crew how to disable the malfunctioning Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) flight-control system. The plane can seat up to 230 people and has a range of up to 3,300 nautical miles. I was originally planning on using a 787 for my 250th photo on Airliners, but the moment here, as the first 737 MAX to receive its air worthiness certificate following the 20 month grounding, making a safe landing at Boeing field. [152] It was presented at the 2017 Paris Air Show. And the rest we ALL know meanwhile: center of gravity is not where it should be and engines reaching hgher than the top of the wing ruin aerodynamics, which was tried to be covered up by electronics and is now that everyone knows officially tried to be ‘compensated’ by the same (modified) electronics – in simple terms. They probably added a few lines of extra software to keep the thing from dropping out of the sky. While these kinds of events are usually full of media, in this case it seemed to be more of an employee event, intended to highlight their accomplishments and recognize the efforts of teams that went into the production of this plane. [30] To preserve fuel and payload capacity, its maximum takeoff weight is 7,000 lb (3,200 kg) heavier. During Boeing's Q2 2011 earnings call, former CFO James Bell said the development cost for the airframe only would be 10–15% of the cost of a new program estimated at US$10–12 billion at the time. [78] Around 80% of the 737 production costs involve payments to parts suppliers, which may be as low as US$10 million per plane. [121], Originally based on the 737-700, Boeing announced the redesign of the MAX 7 derived from the MAX 8 at the July 2016 Farnborough Air Show, accommodating two more seat rows than the 737-700 for 138 seats, up 12 seats. [182] On September 8, 2014, Ryanair agreed to 100 firm orders with 100 options. This site is for entertainment purposes only. @loungeabuser — “I WAS JOKING WITH YOU.” —. Note that 787 and A350 were brand new designs. You are whining at huge length about people who apparently insist you only communicate in one way. Spirit supplies 69% of the 737 airframe, including the fuselage, thrust reverser, engine pylons, nacelles, and wing leading edges. It traces its design to the McDonnell Douglas MD-12 1990s twin-deck concept, proposed for similar gate restrictions before the Boeing merger. If you want a plane that works 100% of the time, then you will never fly. With respect to being an “expert” — about 95%+ of what I’m seeing posted on various forums about this topic have been emotional crap that have no bearing on reality! Good Grief! Wow, another version based on the 60 year old design. [180][181] By December 2011, the 737 MAX had 948 commitments and firm orders from thirteen customers. @TM — “… Remove the stretched fuselage and added capacity out of the equation, and Boeing would have had no problem re-engineing the 737NG and keeping the same old wing and landing gear.” —, Well … but putting a (new) more efficient engine on the 737NG was a major benefit that led to the 737-MAX and its increased overall efficiency! It’s MY right to express however I want to, anyway! Wow… there’s a lot of professional business advisors in the comments tonight. The 737 MAX is a fourth-generation Boeing 737, re-engined with CFM LEAP-1B turbofans. [126] On July 23, 2013, Boeing completed the firm configuration for the 737 MAX 8. Boeing, however, got overly sloppy in how they implemented MCAS and thus we ended up with the problems today. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners. Do you know how many people work at Boeing and on the entire 737-MAX development? [202], The subsequent findings in the Ethiopian Airlines crash and the Lion Air crash led to the Boeing 737 MAX groundings across the world. @HereWeGo — “Got You! Wow…Boeing PR team is on overdrive this morning. During that period of time, Boeing will get shut out of the single-aisle airliner market for decades, if not forever! You sound like a crazy person with American ideological Tourette’s Syndrome. Obviously I was not referring to planes falling out of the sky! United is set to be the first 737 Max customer to receive one of the planes from Boeing since a worldwide grounding of the jets. It at least explains why the 737 is so extremely uncomfortable and noisy compared to the 319/20/21. Something. The 737-MAX program was officially launched on August 30, 2011, following the Airbus NEO program launch on December 1, 2010. You just can’t resist them, can you? 1A004, with an airliner layout, flew function-and-reliability certification for 300h with a light flight-test instrumentation. Boeing did not publicly say how long the suspension would last. The FAA grounding order was lifted on November 18, 2020;[71] all aircraft must be repaired to comply with various airworthiness directives. Just imagine what the order book would look like if they had adapted the 787 technologies to a new clean-sheet aircraft with composite materials and new engines. As of August 2018[update], assembly was underway with a first flight planned for late 2019. We now know that service is expected to begin on February 11, 2021. PT. [30], In August 2011, Boeing had to choose between 66 in (168 cm) or 68 in (173 cm) fan diameters necessitating landing gear changes to maintain a 17-inch (43 cm) ground clearance beneath the new engines; Boeing Commercial Airplanes chief executive officer Jim Albaugh stated "with a bigger fan you get more efficiency because of the bypass ratio [but also] more weight and more drag", with more airframe changes. In fact, the re-certified 737-MAX can be argued to be much safer than some of those other airliners in service, after having gone through such extraordinarily stringent reviews and tests by multiple world aviation safety agencies during its re-certification process! [79] This method has been standard operations on both commercial and military aircraft for decades! … center of gravity is not where it should be and engines reaching hgher than the top of the wing ruin aerodynamics, which was tried to be covered up by electronics and is now that everyone knows officially tried to be ‘compensated’ by the same (modified) electronics” —. What Boeing did was to mess that up in their Implementation with MCAS! Flydubai, Lion Air, and VietJet Air, all have more than 50 of the planes on order as well. [140] The variant is designated 737-8200. In 2006, Boeing started considering the replacement of the 737 with a "clean-sheet" design that could follow the Boeing 787 Dreamliner. [58], The first delivery was a MAX 8, handed over to Malindo Air (a subsidiary of Lion Air) on May 16, 2017; it entered service on May 22. Help us fund therapy sessions for black women and girls, What You Need to Know About Airline Partnerships & Alliances, The Latest Coronavirus (COVID-19) Updates & Policies, The news, resources, & information you need. The agreement acknowledges that Boeing was fraudulent and deceptive in its communication with the FAA.Certification of the 737 MAX involved: “two of the Company’s 737 MAX Flight Technical Pilots deceiving the Federal Aviation Administration’s Aircraft Evaluation Group about an important aircraft part called the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (“MCAS”) that … No unusual design, no MCAS, no wasted lives. Think the swing wing 300 seater supersonic, that trunced the Concorde worldwide [139] An order with Ryanair for 100 aircraft was finalized in December 2014. In March 2019, the 737 MAX was grounded worldwide after 346 people died in two crashes, Lion Air Flight 610 and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302. You sound unhinged and not a little obsessed. At the time, 531 Max 10s were on order, compared to 3,142 A321neos sold, capable of carrying 244 passengers or to fly up to 4,700 nmi (8,700 km) in its heaviest A321XLR variant. This team’s relentless focus on safety and quality shows the commitment we have to our airline customers and every person who flies on a Boeing airplane.”. Er…! He travels about 400,000 miles a year, primarily using miles and points to enhance his first class experiences. That should keep people occupied for a bit. [153], Boeing 737-9 flight tests were scheduled to run through 2017, with 30% of the -8 tests repeated; aircraft 1D001 was used for auto-land, avionics, flutter, and mostly stability-and-control trials, while 1D002 was used for environment control system testing. I”ve never claimed to be “perfect,” or an “expert,” but what I know comes from 40+ years in the high tech engineering industry and through some eight successful startups (including IPOs and M&As) … I’ve done trench-level engineering designs of very complex systems as well as high level management (including CEO) of startups that have transformed the lives of literally Billions on Earth … so do you think that I just “might” have some grounding to make the comments that I did about this topic? @BillC [167], The variant configuration was firmed up by February 2018,[168] and by mid-2018, the critical design review was completed. [145] In November 2019, Ryanair informed its pilots that, due to an unspecified design issue with the additional over-wing exit doors, it did not expect to receive any MAX 200s until late April or early May 2020, with "at best" 10 aircraft in service for the peak summer season. The aircraft was four months old at the time. Please use Your energy and money to build decent aircraft instaed of acting hghly manipulatively like pure evil! I didn’t mention ANY names and You jumped right in and freaked out! [124] It is to fly 1,000 nmi (1,900 km) farther than the -700 with 18% lower fuel costs per seat. [156], The MAX 10 was launched on June 19, 2017, with 240 orders and commitments from more than ten customers. It would end up being so much more expensive than the A320 NEO series. United is the biggest customer of the 737 Max 10 with 100 of them on order from Boeing. Let´s be serious here. Read my previous posts about why the Concept of including software in the aircraft operational loop is totally safe and valid, and has been used for decades in other commercial as well as military aircraft. It took its maiden flight on January 29, 2016 and was certified by the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) in March 2017. [30] Aviation Partners offers a similar "Split-Tip Scimitar" winglet for previous 737NGs. To the anti Max trolls I like the adage “keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool, open it and remove all doubt”. [125] Boeing plans to improve its range from 3,850 nmi (4,430 mi; 7,130 km) to 3,915 nmi (4,505 mi; 7,251 km) after 2021. [190] Of these, Boeing anticipates an actual backlog of 3,333 when orders unlikely to proceed are recognized. Using software in an aircraft’s control system to “coerce” stability is nothing unusual at all! The 737 MAX series has been offered in four variants, offering 138 to 204 seats in typical two-class configuration[9] and a 3,215 to 3,825 nmi (5,954 to 7,084 km) range. After being charged with fraud, Boeing settled to pay over $2.5 billion: a criminal monetary penalty of $243.6 million, $1.77 billion of damages to airline customers, and a $500 million crash-victim beneficiaries fund. Opinions expressed here are the author's alone, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. [99], The split tip wingtip device is designed to maximize lift while staying in the same ICAO Aerodrome reference code letter C gates as current 737s. What I’m referring to, there, concerns rationality of thought as it relates to events, NOT “forms” of expression! Walk the dog. Instead of defending Boeing with long meandering rants, their shill (let’s call them “ShillC”) here in the comments should just direct everyone’s attention to Tesla’s Cybertruck. …by the way, Airbus’ production lines are at their absolte limits, there would be NO benefit for them whatever would happen to Boeing… So me working for Airbus is nonsense. The Final Investigation Report on the Lion Air crash dished out plenty of blame to go around (Boeing and FAA included) — but it also focused on the fact that the co-pilot had inadequate flight experience to properly help the pilot handle such an anomalous situation that resulted in a (very unfortunate) crash … it reported that, when the pilot handed control of the aircraft to the co-pilot, in order to attend to another matter, the co-pilot had no idea of what to do in order to properly sustain the anomalous flight behavior on his own … furthermore, the same issue of training and experience was also found with the co-pilot on the Ethiopian Air crash …. Cumulative Boeing 737 MAX orders and deliveries, The global fleet of nearly 400 737 MAXs flew 500,000 flights from March 2017 to March 2019, and experienced two fatal accidents for an accident rate of four accidents per million flights when it was grounded. 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